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  • YamFazManYamFazMan Posts: 17,690
    Superusers
    edited November 2019
    Hi
    @Greg350z

    Re... Recovery Mode rollback....
    In truth I didn't think it would either... The routing bug that was fixed in the update you refer to was, when the device was connected over Wi-Fi, and the .ITN routes (Stops) were Synced using the MyDrive Web Route planner the .ITN Routes were automatically converted and saved to the device as a .GPX Track....
    I think the problem your having happened quite a while ago when Tomtom prioritized .GPX Tracks over .GPX routes....

    ATB YFM
  • RoadRiderRoadRider Posts: 564 [Revered Pioneer]
    When we use Sent destinations in MyDrive it does exactly that. Only the max 20 Stops are send to the MyDrive backend as a json.
    The definition for this json also supports Soft stops but these are skipped when send to the PND.

    For more complex routes you it’s better to add more stops to shape your route. In this case you will need more than 20 stops and have to use another routeplanner like MRA to create a .ITN file. You can import this .ITN file using the USB cable or micro SD card. This way You can use 255 stops.
    For routes you need to set the same route preferences on your PND as used while creating the route to follow (about) the same path between stops.

    Tracks will always follow the same path when possible. Only stops and U-turns are a problem with tracks. In this case you have to split the track in multiple tracks. For example track-before-lunch and track-after-lunch and avoid driving the same road up and down.

    So I personally prefer routes when the stops are important like a castle route.
    And I prefer tracks when I like to follow a planed path.

  • YamFazManYamFazMan Posts: 17,690
    Superusers
    edited August 16
    Hi
    @Greg350z
    Greg350z wrote: »
    (Snip)This makes me think now the problem and also described by @BrianWatts is a result of changes to MyDrive Route Planner functionality and not as a result of the latest firmware VER 19.201
    If you are talking about the existing posts in THIS thread by BrianWatts, then the problem/bug is about route planning in one Country i.e... UK for use in another Country i.e... Australia
    When planning a route for use on another Country (Say Australia) separated by the sea from your home Country or Island (Say UK)... The device now tries to plan a route from the UK to Australia and gives a 'No Route Possible' error Instead of planning the route as it used to in my example 'Ayers Rock to Philip Island MotoGP Race Circuit… This Bug is because of the separation of the Countries by the sea....

    This Bug is still active and unresolved....

    ATB YFM
  • BrianWattsBrianWatts Posts: 40 [Renowned Wayfarer]
    Hello All,

    I'm just back in Australia after my 11 day (1500 km) road trip in Germany, followed by another 1500 km road trip in North & South Carolina, USA.

    If the GO620 did what the Manual says it will do, the trip would have been so much easier. As I have previously said, and what others have said or since found out, it is not possible to plan a route or track (in this context whether it is called a route or a track is not relevant) and that planning stipulated the actual road you want to drive on (for example a scenic route) and with stops that you actually want to stop at, and where those stops are announced by the device.

    So with 23 days of pre-planning done on the MyDrive Planner, and all those routes with stops saved on MyDrive, and synced with my GO620, how good would it have been if I could have just jumped into the car and drove on the roads that I had selected and stopped at the places I wanted to stop at? No, not that easy. The planned and saved routes with stops on MyDrive, when synced with the device became a track with no stops.

    What I had to do is get each route with stops, and divide them into smaller tracks where the next planned stop was the destination of that sub-track. Was easy to do, but time consuming. I had to select the full route, go to Edit Route which brings up the planner, delete all but the starting place and the first stop, save, rename, then save again. I had to do this for every sector of the full route. It was the only way I could stay on the roads I wanted to stay on, and stop at the places I wanted to stop at, and know when those stops were approaching.

    Over the last 8 years I have done 15,000 km of tourist driving in 12 different countries and have used one of three different TomTom devices during that time. And to be fair, the trips would have been very difficult without a good reliable GPS device like I had. But now at the age of 74, when doing international driving, I need everything going for me, and I don't think that my TomTom GO620 is any longer a useful device for pre-planned holiday travel.
  • David_HarrissonDavid_Harrisson Posts: 20 [Master Explorer]
    When route is planned in mydrive app then choose "send stops" buttton and not "save to my routes".... when you turn on device the "stops" will appear as the route you designed. Start the route to activate it (even if your in your living room) then select current route and choose the "save to my routes" button..... This then saves it all on your device as a route rather than a track. Because it is now a route a whole lot of other option buttons show up and the auto re-calculation function now works.
  • David_HarrissonDavid_Harrisson Posts: 20 [Master Explorer]
    So here's the result of testing.....

    I planned the same path of travel with the same intermediate stop twice on the mydrive app. I then drove it all twice using the two methods below as guidance.

    1...I loaded this path to the rider 550 via wifi by tapping the "save to my routes" and "sync with device" buttons. This then saved it as a track rather than a route which means that, between stops, if you wander off path then it wants to take you back to where you left the path rather than recalculate a path to the next stop.

    2....I loaded the same path with the same stop by tapping the "send stops" button instead of the "sync with device" button. This transferred the path as a true "route".... what this means is that, between stops, if you wander off path it will recalculate a path to the next stop. Because it is now a route, rather than a track, you can now see a button that will allow you to skip the next stop if you like and it will recalulate a path to the stop following.

    So in reality the "sync with device" buton really is a "send as track to my device" and the "send stops" button really is a "send as route to my device"

    Why does matter? If you want to follow a path entirely and without deviation use tracks (sync with my device) .....if you want to hit certain stops but have the device recalculate along the way if you take a detour then use routes (send stops)
  • David_HarrissonDavid_Harrisson Posts: 20 [Master Explorer]
    Correction.....the app does say "sync this route as a track withmy device"..... the "send stops button" should say "send as a route to my device"
  • YamFazManYamFazMan Posts: 17,690
    Superusers
    edited July 17
    Hi
    @David_Harrisson
    (Snip) If you want to follow a path entirely and without deviation use tracks (sync with my device) (Snip)
    With .GPX (Tracks) you also have the problem that they are totally useless on complex journeys... For example delivery drivers....

    Here's a Complex 20 Stop .ITN Route... The .ITN Route visits every Stop
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    I always have very poor results using .GPX Tracks for complex journey's
    Yes it plans a .GPX Track, yes it displays the Stops on the device, but the track fails to visit the majority of the stops...
    The Stops marked in Red, are missed... When you Zoom in (MAX) the .GPX Track just simply bypasses the cul-de-sac

    The same Complex 20 Stop journey as .GPX (Track)....
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    .ITN is easy ==> .GPX No joy ???

    Stay Safe... ATB YFM
  • Mariyan1234Mariyan1234 Posts: 3 [Apprentice Traveler]
    Hi,

    I'm using tomtom go 6200.

    When i click on send destination in web version of my drive the route has been sent to the device. It is possible to save the route on my 6200 from the web version of mydrive . No i can save it only using the option in my GPS device

    THank you in advance
  • YamFazManYamFazMan Posts: 17,690
    Superusers
    edited September 2
    Hi
    @Mariyan1234
    Welcome to the site...
    Hi,
    I'm using Tomtom go 6200.
    When I click on send destination in web version of my drive the route has been sent to the device. It is possible to save the route on my 6200 from the web version of MyDrive . No I can save it only using the option in my GPS device

    Thank you in advance
    See... Bullet point (7)... Saving the Route
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    Maybe usefull....
    A Route planned directly on the device generates a .ITN Route....
    A Route planned using MyDrive Connect and saved to the device using the Save & Sync option is a .GPX Track
    A Route planned using MyDrive Connect and saved to the device using the Send Stops option is an ITN route....

    Maybe Useful....
    I prefer .ITN Routes....
    A Route planned directly on the device is a .ITN Route
    An .ITN Route uses Stops and the device plans the route between the stops... An .ITN Route will respond to Live Traffic and any route deviations BUT an .ITN route will doggedly follow the stops in the order they were created, if you miss a stop, the device will continuously attempt to guide you to the missed stop... You have to cancel the problem stop on the device to avoid it

    If you want to force a different route you simply add more stops
    Note...When you add the extra Stops Max Zoom right into the road
    Don't put the stop on the wrong side of a dual track road (Journey loop back errors)
    Don't put the stop up a side-road... It may guide you though a built-up area via side streets back to your route, instead of a u-turn
    Don't put the stop on a traffic Island always place a guidance stop further up road on the route after the required traffic island exit....
    ___________________________

    Using the MyDrive Web Route planner....

    Using a .ITN Route planned on the MDW Route planner...
    The latest version of MyDrive Web Route planner....
    For .ITN Routes with NO Stops... The Menu Shows 'Send Destination'
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    For .ITN Routes with Stops........... The Menu Changes to 'Send Stops'
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    The MyDrive Web Route planner only sends the route to the device as a Destination... Or if you add Stops it send it as a Route (But it's is not automatically saved in MyRoutes)
    If you are using .ITN route and 'Send Stops'
    see my workaround below

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    Complex Twenty Stop .ITN Route Rider 400
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    Be Aware .ITN Routes....
    If your starting point IS NOT your present location there's a BUG
    When using the 'Send Stops' option, during an "A" to "B" route transfer and when 'A' IS NOT your present location...
    The device drops Location "A"
    This bug also applies to Multi-Stop/Waypoint routes... 'A' to 'B' to 'C' to' D' to 'E' etc...


    Important....
    For a more detailed info about the 'Dropped 1st Stop Bug'
    Click on the Link...
    https://discussions.tomtom.com/en/discussion/comment/1198253/#Comment_1198253
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    This is the workaround method I use....

    The Tomtom MyDrive Web Route Planner....
    Get it Here... https://mydrive.tomtom.com

    (1).... Plan my Route with the MyDrive Web Route planner (With or Without Stops as required)

    (2)... Zoom in... Place a Sacrificial stop close to the Start Icon

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    (4)... Choose the 'Send Stops' option... The route will sync to your device

    (5)... The device will calculate your route from your 'Present location'
    (5.1)... The device will calculate your route using Stops in the order that you placed the Stops in the route
    (5.2)... If the planned Start of the Route is your 'Present location'... Then skip Bullet-point... (6)

    (6)...When the route has calculated, Pinch zoom to the correct start of your Route (The Sacrificial Stop Icon) 'Long Tap' (Tap and hold for +1 second) on the Sacrificial Stop Icon --> A quick menu opens --> Tap the 3Dot icon --> Choose 'Use as a Starting Point'
    The device will calculate your route from your new location

    (7)... Saving the Route
    'Quick Tap' anywhere on the Route --> A quick menu opens --> Tap the 3Dot icon --> Manage route --> Add to my Routes.... Edit the Route name as required or simply Tap Add
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    Note... (1) A 'Quick Tap' and 'Long Tap' of the screen gives different menu options
    Note... (2) The MyDrive Web Route planner will sync a route with a Max of 20 stops

    Stay Safe... ATB YFM
  • Mariyan1234Mariyan1234 Posts: 3 [Apprentice Traveler]
    Thank you for the replay, but explains how to save it using the menu on the GPS device.

    It is possible to save it as a route,not as a track,from the web version of MyDrive and to get it directy on the GPS device as saved route?

  • YamFazManYamFazMan Posts: 17,690
    Superusers
    edited September 3
    Hi
    @Mariyan1234
    (Snip) Is possible to save it as a route, not as a track, from the web version of MyDrive and to get it directly on the GPS device as saved route?
    Sorry NO...
    The MyDrive Web Route planner will only send the .ITN Route (With or Without Stops) as a live Route displayed on your GO 6200....
    The Route is NOT saved to MyRoutes....

    You will have to follow the Workarounds in my 1st post....
    Here... https://discussions.tomtom.com/en/discussion/comment/1723357/#Comment_1723357

    Stay Safe... ATB YFM
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