compatibility with linux Desktop

ericduveauericduveau Posts: 1 [New Traveler]
edited January 30 in Archived Discussions
Dear All, I would like to tell to Tomtom Developers that I regret to see that the lastest products are stlll not manageable from a Linux Desktop. As for me I am using an ubuntu 10.10.
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  • jrwebjrweb Posts: 72 [Prominent Wayfarer]
    Good luck with that.
  • newbeewannewbeewan Posts: 1 [Apprentice Traveler]
    Hi, Unfortunaltely, there isn't seem to have any effort from Tomtom to bring tomtom home usable under linux desktop ! I think this is only a political more than technical problem because tomtom home is made with portable technology (mozilla XUL) known to run under linux...The only missed software part is the detection module to detect correctly your tomtom... There are some effort in wine (http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7711) to emulate windows usb detection, but without success for now... Regards
  • RobCRobC Posts: 9 [Neophyte Traveler]
    another vote for an Ubuntu port here.  I certainly wouldn't rely on anything using Wine with the current 64bit release (10.10) so I'd also appreciate a native Linux version.
  • TheoTheo Posts: 6 [Master Traveler]
    I would like to add my vote for Linux compatibility.  If people knew about Ubuntu they wouldn't wish to go back to Windows! T
  • colmcolm Posts: 152 [Renowned Trailblazer]
    To be honest, I don't think there would be enough of a demand  for that platform.
  • TheoTheo Posts: 6 [Master Traveler]
    colm wrote:
    To be honest, I don't think there would be enough of a demand  for that platform.
    I think that's largely a matter of marketing.  If people experienced Ubuntu they would soon be convinced.  Just being able to shut down in about 2 seconds is an important consideration for me.  Being able to get up and running in about 20 seconds means that I am happy to shut down as soon as I have finished one job and not waste energy leaving the computer on and doing nothing.

    T
  • RobCRobC Posts: 9 [Neophyte Traveler]
    and yet companies such as dell offer Linux systems as an alternative to Windows.  I think you might be surprised how many people choose Linux based op systems in preference to Microshaft
  • colmcolm Posts: 152 [Renowned Trailblazer]
    I might me.. But for a GSP device aimed at the end user I would be surprised if the percentage was significant enough .
  • DaleAndersonDaleAnderson Posts: 2 [Apprentice Traveler]
    Just another Linux user wanting a Linux version of Home on my Dell!
  • vflaubevflaube Posts: 3 [Neophyte Traveler]
    Another vote for Linux-Desktop compatibility.I only buy devices compatible with Linux-Desktop.
  • DRBDRB Posts: 2 [Apprentice Traveler]
    Here's another vote for Linux desktop software.

    I bought a TomTom in preference to other GPSs because it runs Linux., so it's a disappointment to discover that to use it I have to run Windows. 

    Fortunately I retained Windows boot on my Linux laptop so I can do that, but it's a real pain.  Now TomTom home will be something that I use only infrequently, and usually only when I also want to run iTunes (similar problem there).
  • exmilitaryexmilitary Posts: 2 [Apprentice Traveler]
    A light at the end of the tunnel?

    http://pytomtom.tuxfamily.org/index.php?title=Main_Page

    Just about to check it out more personally. YMMV
  • moz1959moz1959 Posts: 42 [Prominent Wayfarer]
    My pet peeve is that when I make such requests to TomTom, I invariably get responses along the lines of: "Thank you for your feedback regarding our Linux Support. I'm sorry you're so disappointed, currently we have not made our software compatible with this operating system.At TomTom we take all customer comments, feedback and suggestions seriously and therefore we have passed your comments on to our 2nd Line Team, Product Management and Marketing Team.With Kind RegardsThe TomTom Customer Care Team" Unfortunately, this seems to be a pseudonym for a mythical black hole(s) into which such questions disappear, never to be seen again. I have never received any kind of feedback from these mythical teams. TomTom seem only too happy to ride upon the backs of the work done by the linux development community, without ever bothering to respond in kind. Am I the only one who remembers that when Microsoft chose to sue TomTom over the FAT32 Extended filenames issue, which is a kludge created by Microsoft to allow a file to be addressed by either it's long filename, or via an 8.3 format filename where the last two of the 8 characters were replaced with a ~ followed by a digit. Andrew Tridgel (The original author of Samba) immediately created a patch which allowed for either a long, or a short name, but dropped the dual naming component so that Microsoft's patent was not infringed. TomTom ended up paying Microsoft blood money for a license to use the patented kludge. The patent is a trivial equivalent to the unix/linux/BSD symbolic link, and should never have been granted patent protection. The point is that when threatened, the linux/open source community immediately stepped up to the plate to help protect TomTom, but they still don't bother building a TomTom Home package for linux. Please keep this thread alive and active so that TomTom may finally get off their duffs and do the right thing. Morrie.
  • WossnameWossname Posts: 7 [Legendary Explorer]
    I've asked TomTom support for a Linux/Wine compatible version of Home several times and have had the same reponse as everyone else.  Now my TomTom is a lot out of date - does anyone know of an alternative SatNav device that does update from Linux? I'm going to give that Python program a try and see what it can do, and depending on the results I might go shopping for a new SatNav.  Or just buy a map. UPDATE:I've downloaded and installed pytomtom and am glad to report it works 100% with my GO520.  However, it only provides GPSFix, Device Backup/Restore and a means of loading POI.  It DOES NOT provide any other update (software, map or map share), which is to be expected.
  • moz1959moz1959 Posts: 42 [Prominent Wayfarer]
    The bigest problem is that you need tot TomTom Home client to even be able to download the maps, making it a "Catch-22" situation. You are damned no matter which way you go. TomTom need to realise that with things like this that people  WILL vote with their wallets. From memory, the Garmin is built on top of WINCE or a variant of Microsoft's crippled version of Windows, and as TomTom and Garmin are the primary suppliers of motorcycle GPS units, they think that they can safely ignore us. Android based phones these days often have GPS built-in, so there is now more competition for the punters hard earned. the only thing I can say with any certainty is that TomTom will not be seeing any more of my money until I can interact using purely linux tools. 
  • exmilitaryexmilitary Posts: 2 [Apprentice Traveler]
    indeed. I was happy with Pytomtom until I discovered it only does half of what is needed. I guess TT likes to USE Linux, but contradicts themselves but shutting out the Linux user. Bye TomTom, off to spend my money on Android
  • moz1959moz1959 Posts: 42 [Prominent Wayfarer]
    Even with Android, please do your research first.

    Many android devices are far more sensitive to GPS signal strength issues, and many of the default offerings will show you where you are, but not offer route planning, voice prompting etc. Battery life on Android devices can also be a real issue when you start turning on all of the bells and whistles. Another area to be careful of is that many manufacturers of android devices will happily sell you the device, but will not ever bother to provide updated firmware as new versions of the Android operating system come out. Samsung is one such vendor, where when I purchased the device, Android 1.6 had just been released, and the phone was running 1.5. I thought I would see an update in due course, only to have Samsung announce that they would not be providing any updates.
  • WossnameWossname Posts: 7 [Legendary Explorer]
    I think I've found a sort of solution work around - not one I like or consider permanent but... You can download a Windows 7 ISO for free (just type Windows 7 ISO into Google) - this isn't illegal as you still need to pay for a licence (which M$ will then revoke for some stupid reason so don't waste your money).  You'll need one of the x86 ones, even though you're running 64 bit Linux, I've gone for Home Premium.  Then get the new version of VirtualBox (apt-get install virtualbox-4.0) and create yourself a Windows 7 virtual machine with the downloaded ISO.  You've got 30 days to trial this OS before it starts whinging about licences, and even then you can just ignore it and carry on using it.Download and install the VBox extensions pack from Oracle (http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/virtualbox/downloads/index.html), install TomTom Home, set yourself up as a member of the vboxusers group and add the TomTom to VBox as a USB device and all should work - just really really (really) slowly.  I had to log out and back in again before the group change took effect and I've found I need to have the VM running before connecting the TomTom. So not a M$ free solution, but its only cost me time - and I wasn't doing anything else.
  • cheesekillercheesekiller Posts: 4 [Master Traveler]
    a petition that many of you probably haven't seen even though it has a decent number of signatures http://www.petitiononline.com/tomlinux/ anyway i wanted to buy tomtoms for my entire family (we all use ubuntu) but it looks like we will just all keep using our phones and i won't waste my money on a product that won't function
  • vflaubevflaube Posts: 3 [Neophyte Traveler]
    "Don't would be enough of a demand" is a false argument. Maybe MS imposition after recent Patents case?

    Make information open/available and the Community will provide these system compatibily without cost for TomTom.
  • cheesekillercheesekiller Posts: 4 [Master Traveler]
    meh it just makes me sad that i can't buy this
  • alberichalberich Posts: 1 [Apprentice Traveler]
    Garmin's MapSource runs apparently under wine [url=http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=20314"; rel="nofollow]http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=20314[/url] I wanted originally to move away from Garmin and give TomTom a try. But this changes the picture... al
  • DRBDRB Posts: 2 [Apprentice Traveler]
    Navman's Navdesk also doesn't run under Wine.  I tried it with cxoffice (a commercialised flavour of Wine) about 18 months ago, and reported it as a failure.  The reply was that it was not possible to support it, then, at least.  That's why my next GPS was a TomTom :-(    --  Ross
  • kurt16kurt16 Posts: 1 [Apprentice Traveler]
    Another Linux user voicing my frustration with TomTom due to the inability to update my device via Linux.   Currently the TomTom has a number advantages over navigator software on the Android phones, but as soon as other navigator software catches up, it will be bye, bye TomTom as my TomTom continues to become more out of date.
  • KexKex Posts: 2,874 [Renowned Wayfarer]
    Hmmm. I actually started another thread on a similar topic, after my search for "Ubuntu" or "Linux" yielded no results, and this thread was here all the time. Not very good search results, to say the least ... http://discussions.tomtom.com/t5/Map-installation/MyTomTom-Installation-Questions-Windows-amp-Linux/td-p/30573 Anyway, I'm not holding my breath for TomTom Home, which I currently use for my XL devices, but surely it's easier to get MyTomTom to work with LInux, including Ubuntu, since it's browser based! C'mon TomTom, I know you guys are probably sorting out a lot of stuff with your models right now, and I'm about 70-90% happy already with my new GO 2535M Live, but there are only two reasons that I use Windows for at present: 1) TomTom updates,2) Canon printer management. Everything is so much faster, including 20 second boot time on my new laptop, 50 second boot time on my oldest (ten years old) laptop, and shutdown in less than five seconds on both. Don't get me started on the security concerns ... you just never know what's going to happen if you're using airport and hotel wireless connections. None of that matters with Linux, of course.
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