2D North Up

Declas

I’ve been in discussion with TomTom and 2D North Up is not an option.

We have 2D in direction of travel but not with screen north locked up. You can hack it with map view but this looses the automatic zoom in and out for junctions and speed. You manually have to do this which is a distraction. TomTom advised post this on the forums and get support and it is more likely to be added to their developments.

Hence asking for views, support and reposting to other Forums including TomToms own.

YamFazMan

Hi
@Declas
Welcome to the site....
A true North-up Driving view is not an available option on the latest Tomtom devices....
The available options are 3D & 2D (Rotate in direction of travel)
Tap 4Dot (.... Menu) --> Setting --> Appearance --> Guidance view


The only true North-up is the North-up Overview panning Map
Tap on the direction of Travel Icon, above the + and - Signs
To toggle between the North-up Overview Planning Map and the Driving Map view chosen in the Setting menus i.e... 2D in direction of travel or 3D


The direction of Travel Icon is thinner more pointed in the 2D in direction of travel or 3D Driving view


The sequence when tapping on the 'Direction of Travel Icon' as I see it... I'm driving using my chosen driving view in the Setting Menus...
For me 2D (In direction of Travel) + Zoom... Based on road type
1st Tap --> North-up Overview planning Map
2nd Tap --> 2D (Indirection of Travel) Max Zoom ???
3rd Tap --> Return to my chosen driving view (2D (In direction of Travel) Normal Zoom
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Cut & Paste from one of my previous posts
Driving using the North-up Overview Planning Map
My Normal Setting....
2D Rotate in direction of travel
Zoom... Based on road type

I planned and calculated a route
Tapped the direction of travel chevron to select the North-up overview map
tapped the + sign 4 times to set the required zoom level....

Set off on the route....
The cursor that represent the current location does not remain centred like in 2D or 3D
it's sits inboard from the edge of the screen about 20/25 percent and moves around the sides of screen depending on the direction travel, but it always stays on the screen (I think this is to show as much as the route as possible)

The route was about 5 Miles, the zoom level remained normal as for using 'Zoom Based on road type' throughout the journey

Stay Safe... ATB YFM

Silberpfeilchen

I picked up a Rider 550 last year to replace a very old StreetPilot 2720. I was severely disappointed to learn that (2-D) north-up what not a real option. I never thought to verify this feature before the purchase - I would have never guessed it wouldn't be supported.

Each time I start a new route, I have to play games to get everything working in a (sort of) acceptable manner. I think motorcyclists, on average, are more concerned with where they actually are and where they're going than car drivers. You simply don't get that with the track-up view.

Please fix this.

YamFazMan

Hi
@Silberpfeilchen
Welcome to the site...
When riding.... I feel the default Zoom setting i.e.... 'Zoom into next turn' to be useless for a Motorcycle especially in the countryside, where the zoom is equivalent to the view from the International Space Station....

I always Drive/Ride... Guidance view...
2D (In direction of travel)
Tap 4Dot (.... Menu) --> Setting --> Guidance View... 2D (In direction of travel)

Zoom... Based on road type....
Tap 4Dot (.... Menu) --> Setting --> Automatic zoom... Based on road type...

The 2D rotate in direction of travel riding view Map definitely has more information than the 3D Riding view Map....
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If you are Route planning....
Tap on the Direction of Travel Icon (Above the + & -- Minus Keys )


This switches to the North up overview planning Map... Where you can Pinch Zoom and Swipe the map....
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A true North-up Driving view is not an available option on the latest Tomtom devices....
The available options are 3D & 2D (Rotate in direction of travel)
Tap 4Dot (.... Menu) --> Setting --> Appearance --> Guidance view


The only true North-up is the North-up Overview panning Map
Tap on the direction of Travel Icon, above the + and - Signs
To toggle between the North-up Overview Planning Map and the Driving Map view chosen in the Setting menus i.e... 2D in direction of travel or 3D


The direction of Travel Icon is thinner more pointed in the 2D in direction of travel or 3D Driving view


The sequence when tapping on the 'Direction of Travel Icon' as I see it... I'm driving using my chosen driving view in the Setting Menus...
For me 2D (In direction of Travel) + Zoom... Based on road type
1st Tap --> North-up Overview planning Map
2nd Tap --> 2D (Indirection of Travel) Max Zoom ???
3rd Tap --> Return to my chosen driving view (2D (In direction of Travel) Normal Zoom
_________________________

Cut & Paste from one of my previous posts
Driving using the North-up Overview Planning Map
My Normal Setting....
2D Rotate in direction of travel
Zoom... Based on road type

I planned and calculated a route
Tapped the direction of travel chevron to select the North-up overview map
tapped the + sign 4 times to set the required zoom level....

Set off on the route....
The cursor that represent the current location does not remain centred like in 2D or 3D
it's sits inboard from the edge of the screen about 20/25 percent and moves around the sides of screen depending on the direction travel, but it always stays on the screen (I think this is to show as much as the route as possible)

The route was about 5 Miles, the zoom level remained normal as for using 'Zoom Based on road type' throughout the journey

Rider 550 User guide....
Here... http://download.tomtom.com/open/manuals/Rider_Wi-Fi/html/en-us/index.htm#WelcometonavigationwithTomTom-RIDER.htm

Stay Safe... ATB YFM

Silberpfeilchen

Thanks for the prompt advice YFM.

I checked and I'm using the settings you recommend and I agree that it works OK (but not great, in my opinion). I haven't noticed any auto zooming, but maybe it may be because I normally stick to secondary roads. It's annoying to have to do multiple extra clicks. My typical regular rides are 100's of miles (and km's) and the zoom out to show the entire route at the start is particulary annoying. My routine is to find a safe place to pull off the road, remove a glove and then start the sequence.

Regarding the glove removal - I wish they'd improve the manual zoom interface. I'd separate the "zoom/orientation" button into two separate buttons and if the user selects one of them, that button should take over that side area of the display. For me, manually zooming works rarely when wearing gloves. The display almost always misinterprets my touches to mean that I actually want to stop zooming and would instead like to pan the view. This is SO ANNOYING. If I've selected to zoom, assume that any touch close to the zoom bar is for zooming.

But I guess if they fixed the first issue (complete north up support), the autozooming would work and I wouldn't have to manually do it. It really is a safety issue.

YamFazMan

Hi
@Silberpfeilchen

Silberpfeilchen wrote: »

(Snip) The zoomed out to show the entire route at the start is particularly annoying (Snip)

Maybe useful....
The Latest NAV4/5 (Wi-Fi) devices are Map Centric (Tomtom Speak) Route planning has the highest priority... When the device starts-up or if the route is cleared, the device defaults to the 2D North-up overview planning map screen....
If a route is already planned the zoom level will auto display the whole route....

The NAV4 & NAV5 (Wi-Fi) devices... Have 3 options to switch to the chosen Drive/Ride Map view....
(1)... If the device has a Satellite Lock the ( Drive ) or ( Ride ) button will display at the top of the screen... Tap on the Drive/Ride button
(2)... Start to Drive/Ride at around 10/12MPH the Driving/Riding Map view will auto switch to the chosen Drive/Ride Map view
(3)... (Manual) Tap on the direction of Travel Icon, above the + and - Signs

You can turn off the Auto Map switching....
But note... Auto Map switching affects both ends of the journey
Here... https://discussions.tomtom.com/en/discussion/comment/1723582/#Comment_1723582

Stay safe... ATB YFM