Shortest route between Helsinki and Saint Petersburg is not...

NMM

Greetings,

This may have been asked before and/or i may be asking on the wrong forum. Whether i use TomTom myDrive, via Michelin or Google Maps, if i set this route they will all cross the border at Imatra/Svetogorsk or Nuijamaa. However, Vaalimaa/Torfyanovka is MUCH closer.

If i try to move the route around to cross the border there, all apps will avoid that road and force the route up north to one of the other two crossing points, even though this appears to be a valid border crossing (mentioned on the Russian e-visa site for Saint Petersburg and the Leningrad region).

Even if i plan Helsiki - Vaalimaa - Torfyanovka - Saint Petersburg all apps will still take the long way, even though Vaalimaa and Torfyanovka are a kilometer apart at best.

What am i missing here? Politics?
FYI i'm only considering land routes, no ferries.

YamFazMan

Hi
@NMM
Welcome to the site....
MyDrive route planner journey date set to the 1st July 2020....
Is this the route you are looking for ??? Using 'Send stops' Option .ITN Route

To enlarge... Right Click on image ... Click 'View Image'
Use Browser Back button to return to the Forum....


Link to planned route... https://mydrive.tomtom.com/en_gb/#mode=routes+viewport=59.55378,27.81264,6.93,0,-0+routes={"departure":true,"traffic":true,"routeType":"FASTEST","travelMode":"CAR","date":"1593608700000","points":["hw~60.16981,24.93813~A~Helsinki Uusimaa, FIN","hw~60.59796,27.79943~A~Virolahti (Vaalimaa) Kymenlaakso, FIN","hw~60.59615,27.91827~A~Seleznevskoye (Torfyanovka) Northwestern Federal District, RUS","hw~59.93848,30.31248~A~Saint Petersburg Northwestern Federal District, RUS"],"avoidCriteria":[]}+ver=3

Copy & Paste the full link into the MyDrive Web Route planner... Press Enter On PC

Or... Short URL link generated by 'bit.ly' the URL Shortening program...
Here... https://bit.ly/39ISguc

Stay Safe... ATB YFM

YamFazMan

Hi
@NMM

You're welcome, glad you're sorted

Maybe usefull... I prefer .ITN Routes....
A Route planned directly on the device is a .ITN Route
An .ITN Route uses Stops and the device plans the route between the stops... An .ITN Route will will respond to Live Traffic and any route deviations BUT an .ITN route will doggedly follow the stops in the order they were created, if you miss a stop, the device will continuously attempt to guide you to the missed stop... You have to cancel the problem stop on the device to avoid it

If you want to force a different route you simply add more stops
Note...When you add the extra Stops Zoom right into the road
Don't put the stop on the wrong side of a dual track road (Journey loop back errors)
Don't put the stop up a side-road... It may guide you though a built-up area via side streets back to your route, instead of a u-turn
Don't put the stop on on a traffic Island always place a guidance stop further up road on the route after the required traffic island exit....
___________________________

Using the MyDrive Web Route planner....

Using a .ITN Route planned on the MDW Route planner...
The latest version of MyDrive Web Route planner....
For .ITN Routes with NO Stops... The Menu Shows 'Send Destination'

For .ITN Routes with Stops........... The Menu Changes to 'Send Stops'

The MyDrive Web Route planner only sends the route to the device as a Destination... Or if you add Stops it send it as a Route (But it's is not automatically saved in MyRoutes)
If you are using .ITN route and 'Send Stops' see my workaround below





Complex Twenty Stop .ITN Route Rider 400


Be Aware .ITN Routes....
If your starting point IS NOT your present location there's a BUG
When using the 'Send Stops' option, during an "A" to "B" route transfer and when 'A' IS NOT your present location...
The device drops Location "A"
This bug also applies also to Multi-Stop/Waypoint routes... 'A' to 'B' to 'C' to' D' to 'E' etc...

Important....
For a more detailed info about the 'Dropped 1st Stop Bug'
Click on the Link... https://discussions.tomtom.com/en/discussion/comment/1198253/#Comment_1198253
______________________________________

This is the workaround method I use....

The Tomtom MyDrive Web Route Planner....
Get it Here... https://mydrive.tomtom.com

(1).... Plan my Route with the MyDrive Web Route planner (With or Without Stops as required)

(2)... Zoom in... Place a Sacrificial stop close to the Start Icon


(4)... Choose the 'Send Stops' option... The route will sync to your device

(5)... The device will calculate your route from your 'Present location'
(5.1)... The device will calculate your route using Stops in the order that you placed the Stops in the route
(5.2)... If the planned Start of the Route is your 'Present location'... Then skip Bullet-point... (6)

(6)...When the route has calculated, Pinch zoom to the correct start of your Route (The Sacrificial Stop Icon) 'Long Tap' (Tap and hold for +1 second) on the Sacrificial Stop Icon --> A quick menu opens --> Tap the 3Dot icon --> Choose 'Use as a Starting Point'
The device will calculate your route from your new location

(7)... Saving the Route
'Quick Tap' anywhere on the Route --> A quick menu opens --> Tap the 3Dot icon --> Manage route --> Add to my Routes.... Edit the route name as required or simply Tap Add
_____________________________________

Note... (1) A 'Quick Tap' and 'Long Tap' of the screen gives different menu options
Note... (2) The MyDrive Web Route planner will sync a route with a Max of 20 stops

ATB YFM

YamFazMan

Hi
@NMM
Welcome to the site....
MyDrive route planner journey date set to the 1st July 2020....
Is this the route you are looking for ??? Using 'Send stops' Option .ITN Route

To enlarge... Right Click on image ... Click 'View Image'
Use Browser Back button to return to the Forum....


Link to planned route... https://mydrive.tomtom.com/en_gb/#mode=routes+viewport=59.55378,27.81264,6.93,0,-0+routes={"departure":true,"traffic":true,"routeType":"FASTEST","travelMode":"CAR","date":"1593608700000","points":["hw~60.16981,24.93813~A~Helsinki Uusimaa, FIN","hw~60.59796,27.79943~A~Virolahti (Vaalimaa) Kymenlaakso, FIN","hw~60.59615,27.91827~A~Seleznevskoye (Torfyanovka) Northwestern Federal District, RUS","hw~59.93848,30.31248~A~Saint Petersburg Northwestern Federal District, RUS"],"avoidCriteria":[]}+ver=3

Copy & Paste the full link into the MyDrive Web Route planner... Press Enter On PC

Or... Short URL link generated by 'bit.ly' the URL Shortening program...
Here... https://bit.ly/39ISguc

Stay Safe... ATB YFM

NMM

Yup, that's pretty much it.
Following your link it works.
After that, trying a new route also works (i.e. calculates the route through Vaalimaa).
Weird.
Thanks.

YamFazMan

Hi
@NMM

You're welcome, glad you're sorted

Maybe usefull... I prefer .ITN Routes....
A Route planned directly on the device is a .ITN Route
An .ITN Route uses Stops and the device plans the route between the stops... An .ITN Route will will respond to Live Traffic and any route deviations BUT an .ITN route will doggedly follow the stops in the order they were created, if you miss a stop, the device will continuously attempt to guide you to the missed stop... You have to cancel the problem stop on the device to avoid it

If you want to force a different route you simply add more stops
Note...When you add the extra Stops Zoom right into the road
Don't put the stop on the wrong side of a dual track road (Journey loop back errors)
Don't put the stop up a side-road... It may guide you though a built-up area via side streets back to your route, instead of a u-turn
Don't put the stop on on a traffic Island always place a guidance stop further up road on the route after the required traffic island exit....
___________________________

Using the MyDrive Web Route planner....

Using a .ITN Route planned on the MDW Route planner...
The latest version of MyDrive Web Route planner....
For .ITN Routes with NO Stops... The Menu Shows 'Send Destination'

For .ITN Routes with Stops........... The Menu Changes to 'Send Stops'

The MyDrive Web Route planner only sends the route to the device as a Destination... Or if you add Stops it send it as a Route (But it's is not automatically saved in MyRoutes)
If you are using .ITN route and 'Send Stops' see my workaround below





Complex Twenty Stop .ITN Route Rider 400


Be Aware .ITN Routes....
If your starting point IS NOT your present location there's a BUG
When using the 'Send Stops' option, during an "A" to "B" route transfer and when 'A' IS NOT your present location...
The device drops Location "A"
This bug also applies also to Multi-Stop/Waypoint routes... 'A' to 'B' to 'C' to' D' to 'E' etc...

Important....
For a more detailed info about the 'Dropped 1st Stop Bug'
Click on the Link... https://discussions.tomtom.com/en/discussion/comment/1198253/#Comment_1198253
______________________________________

This is the workaround method I use....

The Tomtom MyDrive Web Route Planner....
Get it Here... https://mydrive.tomtom.com

(1).... Plan my Route with the MyDrive Web Route planner (With or Without Stops as required)

(2)... Zoom in... Place a Sacrificial stop close to the Start Icon


(4)... Choose the 'Send Stops' option... The route will sync to your device

(5)... The device will calculate your route from your 'Present location'
(5.1)... The device will calculate your route using Stops in the order that you placed the Stops in the route
(5.2)... If the planned Start of the Route is your 'Present location'... Then skip Bullet-point... (6)

(6)...When the route has calculated, Pinch zoom to the correct start of your Route (The Sacrificial Stop Icon) 'Long Tap' (Tap and hold for +1 second) on the Sacrificial Stop Icon --> A quick menu opens --> Tap the 3Dot icon --> Choose 'Use as a Starting Point'
The device will calculate your route from your new location

(7)... Saving the Route
'Quick Tap' anywhere on the Route --> A quick menu opens --> Tap the 3Dot icon --> Manage route --> Add to my Routes.... Edit the route name as required or simply Tap Add
_____________________________________

Note... (1) A 'Quick Tap' and 'Long Tap' of the screen gives different menu options
Note... (2) The MyDrive Web Route planner will sync a route with a Max of 20 stops

ATB YFM