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Unknown SatNav support website (Scam?)

mrleemrlee Posts: 2 [Apprentice Traveler]
Hi,

My friend was looking how to update his old TomTom satnav and found a website Satnavnavigationmart.com that offers support.

I don't know how he managed to get there, but he was talking to a support guy on the phone already and this guy was remotely connected to my friends computer. So when he went to get me, I picked up a phone and I can see this support fella has opened windows registry/event register and started talking about some problem with hardware and as soon as he mentioned virus, that immediately rang a bell and I said I have never heard that TomTom official support would actually remotely connect to their customer's computer to troubleshoot.

So I have terminated remote session and made sure there we no malware injected/shared or any files edited or copied.

Thing is, I have studied computer science and I know that this is exactly how scammers behave, their ask you to download TeamViewer or any other remote control software, then they say there is a virus or problem and ask to pay. These are low level ones, that scam people of their money without injecting the system with keyloggers etc.

First of all, remote support from this type of company, does not seem right to me. Can you confirm if your company has such policy and/or support team that actually provides remote support for people?

Second, the guy on the phone did not have right windows opened. When you update your software or install new things, you don't need to open windows registry and device manager to see system files.

Third, when I said that I did not know that TomTom provides remote support for customers and he said ''well we provide different support and use different remote tools for that'' something along those lines. I did not bother to listen to him more, so when I started to ask questions on the spot, he just said ''so you will be installing updates yourself sir'' and basically said ''ok goodbye''?

Website's domain is quite new and there are no social presence on their twitter or facebook profiles. Very low traffic and no domain authority. I will look into this deeper when I'll have time, but for now just wanted to post this to see if I can get any reply from the official website.

Thanks.

Comments

  • VikramKVikramK Posts: 8,832 TomTom Moderator
    edited March 2019
    Thanks @mrlee

    As you said, not an official TomTom Support representative that...

    I will try to see if we can do something about the fraud website you mentioned..

    But surely if you don't go through TomTom.com then it's not official!

    Thanks
    Vikram :)
  • mrleemrlee Posts: 2 [Apprentice Traveler]
    Thanks @VikramK

    I will try to find out how my friend ended up on this website in a first place. I have seen he had official TomTom website open aswell.

    Just wanted to get a confirmation that it's not a dedicated third party support, which your company contracts, to help your customers with software installation.

    I will call them up and have some fun, to see where they gonna lead me then :)

    Cheers!
  • VikramKVikramK Posts: 8,832 TomTom Moderator
    edited March 2019
    Hi @mrlee

    I have reported this internally so a team is looking into it.

    Just to help them out would it be possible for you to let us know how your friend ended up on this fraudulent website?

    This information could be helpful for them to understand the flow and take actions accordingly.

    Thanks,
    Vikram
  • IabCIabC Posts: 1 [New Traveler]
    I too contacted this company (https://www.satnavnavigationmart.com) by searching for tomtom lifetime map updates and the patter was exactly the same he told me I had internal conflicts which could only be rectified by purchasing his specific software He quoted various prices but I'd smelled a rat so he got nothing from me. When I challenged him as to who he worked for he said TOMTOM.
  • dmulvdmulv Posts: 643 Superuser
    mrlee wrote: »
    I will call them up and have some fun, to see where they gonna lead me then :)

    Highly recommend this... it's a thoroughly enjoyable pastime.

    Last time I was on the line to them for 20 minutes having been passed on to 3 different people. I think my increasingly hysterical screams as they warned me about the various infections made them eventually give up.
  • VikramKVikramK Posts: 8,832 TomTom Moderator
    Hi @labC

    Were you using a search engine- Eg- Google, which landed you on the fraudulent website?

    Thanks,
    Vikram
  • Tomato1Tomato1 Posts: 0 [New Seeker]
    Hi,

    I was trying to update the software on my very old Tomtom Go and was failing (app didn't recognise the tomtom was connected to the computer). I was googling support and contacted what I thought was the tomtom support team. The website title was 'TomTom Navigation' so I was fooled into thinking this but I was actually talking to the Satnavnavigationmart. They connected me to tech support and asked for remote access to my computer. I was watching them do stuff and they informed me of a problem with my IP address security. I was still on board then but got suspicious when they they tried to sell me a network firewall and continued support. It didn't seem like something the tomTom support team would do since they are not in the business of selling firewall systems!

    Has anyone had dealings with this website? I'm pretty worried as they had access to my computer!!

    Thanks.
  • VikramKVikramK Posts: 8,832 TomTom Moderator
    Hi @Tomato1

    Thanks for the heads up!

    I have moved your comment to a topic where this was reported earlier as well.

    I will forward your finding to the team.

    Regards
    Vikram

  • DexterdodgyDexterdodgy Posts: 1 [New Traveler]
    I was having trouble updating my satnav yesterday and googled tomtom support after I read elsewhere that the cure was to delete app and start again. I was looking for the download when a chat window opened and I explained what had occurred, I was than called by a technician who took over my pc with my permission and found that I had tracking software embedded in my pc, as my pc had become slower of late I let him continue and he showed me all the problems that a certified Microsoft engineer would fix for me probably take 20 minutes. However my pc needed a full security programme installed at a cost from them. I then explained that I build computers and his tone changed, I ended the conversation and deleted the log in software. Since then I have logged in to the official site and downloaded the app and updates with no problem.
  • HypertensionHypertension Posts: 6 [Master Traveler]
    Hi folks,

    Spent most of the day yesterday dealing with the fallout with one of these scams. My father is a pensioner but still drives a lorry to earn pennies. He relies on his professional TomTom to get himself around the country. Last week, his live traffic updates stopped working, despite him thinking he had lifetime traffic updates (which he does). He then went onto TomTom's webpage and bought a random £40 update package, which didn't work as it sounds like it wasn't for his device. So he bought another!!! This one for £30. When that one also didn't work, he Googled TomTom updates and clicked the first link. That is where his troubles began.

    From what I can tell, he then went through their live chat option, where they told him his device was corrupted and that he had 2 options. 1) to purchase a new £400 device or 2) to pay £270 for a "technician" to call him and reconfigure his device. He mentioned that he'd already spent £70 the day before on failed update packages, so they told him "they could see that so just pay the £200 difference for the device reconfiguration". This is what he did.

    Luckily for him, he paid this by bank transfer, but that didn't stop the scammer from then asking him for his credit card details. My father was intelligent enough at this point to question why they need that when he'd already made payment, to which they retorted "why, don't you trust us"???!!! They went on to say it was so they could create an account for my father, but luckily he told them he wasn't interested in an account and that was that.

    An hour or two later, somebody did indeed call him to gain access to his pc. He duly went through with it. The "technician" made comments during the process as he went through his personal files, including complimenting my father on the car he drove, and offering advice on his choice of antivirus and offering a further costly package to update that for him! He then clicked some buttons and told my father it was fixed and should now work correctly.

    Come Monday morning, in our morning chat, my father was telling me of the encounter. I only got halfway through before I told him to block his cards and brace himself for bad news. The following day I went to see him and sure enough, his PC was bricked. I can only imagine that the "technician" (at this point I wish to call him by some very insensitive names) deleted his master boot record, thus eliminating the possibility of him tracing his steps through his history. Or maybe its because they've been calling his mobile for the past two days to offer more "tech support" to his PC. Luckily for my father, the PC was handbuilt by me last year and was due an upgrade anyway, so a quick format of the drives and a quick reinstall and he was on his way. The bank has been notified, a freeze has been put on the bank account (which the bank can see contains just my fathers £200) and the bank seem able to get it back. I have a much wiser father who is now able to use a password manager and is more clued up when it comes to giving details out online. His email address has been changed and I will look to change his mobile number today.

    And yes, his device didn't need an upgrade, I believe it just needed a factory reset. Just as a precaution I did this anyway, just incase.

    So if anybody can please look into this and put pressure onto the relevent authorities, it'd be appreciated. It's a shame that most people won't even read this until AFTER a similar occurrence.

    Stay safe folks... H
  • John-JayJohn-Jay Posts: 679 [Revered Pioneer]
    Hi, @Hypertension

    Obviously a very worrying story!!

    Any chance that you could establish the Web-Site Address of this Scammer? This might help stop others being caught & it is possible that TomTom could take action!
  • tonygrtonygr Posts: 22 [Outstanding Wayfarer]
    I was checking to see whether a later version of the Europe map exists (my present version is October 2019) and a google search produced an ad for this website that said 2020 version. https://www.mysatnavupdate.com/
    I got involved with a web chat and then a technician called me who was saying things about corrupt software preventing my device finding the latest map and wanting me to follow his instructions. This rang alarm bells so I told him I would try again in a few days. Luckily I noticed (when it was too late to change it) that I had mistyped my email address.
    Having checked the FAQs on the official TomTom website I now suspect this is a scam site but could you confirm.
  • DougLapDougLap Posts: 4,025 Superuser
    Hi @tonygr

    Definitely not a genuine Tomtom website. Flagged to @Luca and @VikramK

    Thank you for reporting it and how you got to the website.

    Doug
  • tonygrtonygr Posts: 22 [Outstanding Wayfarer]
    Thanks. A lucky escape
  • needmapsneedmaps Posts: 2 [New Seeker]
    They now seem to be using the line that downloads are now done only via satellite, and want to charge for a lifetime's service .Nothing about the computer having a fault.

    I thought I was on the genuine tomtom website, but googling again I can see what might be the scammer one at the top, with only AD at the front to warn you. The drop down webchat is plausible, and the man who rang me as a technician was very skillfull, and almost bamboozled me.
    And as I refused to give them any money, they had the cheek to email me an invoice so I can pay them now.
    Very unpleasant experience.
    Pity the telephone support line doesn't work at weekends.
  • DougLapDougLap Posts: 4,025 Superuser
    Hi @needmaps

    Flagged to @Luca and @VikramK

    Doug
  • YamFazManYamFazMan Posts: 15,864 Superusers
    edited February 22
    Hi All

    You can use the 'Who Called Me' free reverse phone number lookup tool to check a Phone number....
    Click Here... https://who-called.co.uk/

    Using the phone number on the Scam Website mentioned in the post above from user 'IabC'
    Link to forum post... https://discussions.tomtom.com/en/discussion/comment/1631455/#Comment_1631455

    Phone number... 0800 689 1713

    Click Link and scroll down to see the replies... https://who-called.co.uk/Number/08006891713

    ATB YFM
  • LucaLuca Posts: 3 TomTom Employee
    edited February 24
    Hi all, quite few updates since last time I visited this page, I'll try to respond to all in one post, so please forgive me if I missed to mention something!

    @DougLap, thanks a lot for mentioning me so that i can be sure to be on top of this and be informed of any new platform.

    @needmaps, thanks for sharing the variation of the script used by the fraudsters, hope this will help other users spot those activities.

    @tonygr, I can confirm that the site you mentioned is not affiliated to TomTom, glad you could find our FAQ and avoid being scammed!

    @Hypertension, there is a very good reason if on the above linked FAQ we suggest to report the matter to the authorities ;)
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