Why no Rider with built-in sim???
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Too expensive, production-cost wise. They say ...
But I support this. I said it many times on Dutch forums. It will solve all those idiot internet connection issues.0 -
Because everyone seems to have a smartphone with a data connection. Roaming inside the EU is free nowadays, and an internal modem would add to the cost. (monthly M2M subscriptions)0
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Because the current built-in SIM works neither in half of the world nor in half of Europe.0
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basix wrote:Because everyone seems to have a smartphone with a data connection. Roaming inside the EU is free nowadays, and an internal modem would add to the cost. (monthly M2M subscriptions)
Automotive users are quite content with the SIM-gps-es. No issues at all as far as I can read on the Dutch forums.0 -
The older Sim-GPS'es as you state, have become incompatible or are becoming incompatible or no longer supported because they only support 2G data. When tomtom creates GPS devices, they use a single platform, with 90% the same internals. If they can't guarantee 5-10y of compatibility with the cellular networks, there is no use of including such a component.0
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@MrM
Can't really tell what is going on with Apple, but I have had the same kind of issues with all my android devices and my 400. Nowadays using a 420, and my own solution I've described here: https://en.discussions.tomtom.com/rider-51/tomtom-rider-bluetooth-connectivity-issues-with-android-nougat-10201580 -
I agree on the 5 - 10 year.
I passed on the Rider 4xx (Have been for more than 10 years a Rider user), because of above issue. Very happy with my Rigged phone and the GO app and the Osmand App regarding tracks.0 -
basix wrote:The older Sim-GPS'es as you state, have become incompatible or are becoming incompatible or no longer supported because they only support 2G data. When tomtom creates GPS devices, they use a single platform, with 90% the same internals. If they can't guarantee 5-10y of compatibility with the cellular networks, there is no use of including such a component.
The ones with the built-in sim I reference too are not older models they are the latest models for these different vehicle types, so what is the difference between driving a car/truck in said countries & a motorbike ????0 -
I'm not sure - just speculating, but the Rider is more of a niche product with probably way less sales figures than a 5/6x00 range car navigation device. The rider is a rugged device and maybe the SIM holder/modem etc inside the car range is not suited to be used in more extreme conditions like on motorcycles. Again, just guessing..0
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I don’t see any technical difficulties to implement it on a device with the more demanding / rugged IPX specs like a motorcycle navigator.
It’s a business decision based on some data... Cost mostly, some market research I guess...
The key to any decision, IMHO, is the niche market.
Personally, I don’t want any additional cost, one more thing to manage... IMHO, we should demand a more reliable implementation of their Bluetooth, to fix all the known problems that never solved so far. No new features, just that.0 -
OK then as my bike has a decent mounting area behind a good screen then my solution is to fabricate a mount from the spare one I have for my GO 6000 series and use that on the bike - problem solved - I don't mind taking my gloves off to operate it and I don't (often) need to mess about with the GPS while riding.0