Want to create a backup of my Carminat SD Card onto another card before updating

RobH1963
RobH1963 Registered Users Posts: 3
Apprentice Traveler
edited January 2019 in Built in car navigation
Since I had problems in the past with updating TomTom maps I want to start with a working backup of the card I currently have.

I have a Renault Carminat Tom Tom with the original SD Card as up to date as it can be. It has the Benelux maps on them. Since these are years old (I bought the car second hand) I want to upgrade them. And would also like to get the Western-Europe card.

But to be sure I want make a backup and restore that on a separate SD card and make sure that functions before I continue.

Using TomTom that is easily done. However I get the message on the device that tells me the map Benelux will not load.

Again copying all files by hand from the original to a newly formatted SD card is simple. Still message tells me map will not load.

Going one step further and using a tool to create a complete image of the original SD card and the copying that onto a new SD card has exactly the same outcome: Map will not load.

I seriously question the possibility to create working backups through TomTom or any other way.

Is there a real working way to create such a backup??? I have looked through many topics on this forum and all over the Internet and have tried several suggested methods and none worked. (Including deleting the loopdir).

When TomTom device simply work they are absolutely great :cool:, but upgrading, backing up and buying maps have always caused me much headache. :(

I am now seriously looking at replacing the TomTom device with another device (Android based) that I know will be much easier to upgrade and maintain.

Can anyone tell how to create a working backup? Without that backup I will not feel comfortable when buying a new map.

TIA

Comments

  • Troubadix12
    Troubadix12 Registered Users Posts: 2,021
    Revered Voyager
    Hi RobH1963,

    welcome to the TomTom-Community :)

    One Question: Have you ever purchased and download a MapUpdate for the Benelux-Map (not MapShare)?

    If not, you can't copy it to another SD-Card. Because it is "linked" to the SD-Card-Hardware-ID. It is because the Unit and the SD-Card are manufactured seperately. TT didn't know at assembly-process, in which Unit later which SD-Card is used. Therefore the Map-".dct"-File (encrypted File to unlock the Map) from the original Map is "linked" to the SD-Card-Hardware-ID.
    If you registered the Unit with your TT-Account and purchase and download a Map. This new Map is "linked" to your TT-Account and could be copied on all SD-Cards.

    Regards

    Troubadix12
  • RobH1963
    RobH1963 Registered Users Posts: 3
    Apprentice Traveler
    Hi Troubadix12,

    Thanks for the answer. I was guessing that the map was somehow linked to the sd card id. This means that if this card ever gets lost or damaged I am completely without a map. It doesn't matter how many backups I make ...

    I do not want to purcahse an update for Benelux but I want to buy a map for Western Europe. Can I use an empty (bigger) SD card and intialize it in my Carminat and then use TomTom Home to buy and download the map onto that new card?

    How big can that card be? It's getting expensive to buy cards smaller than 8GB nowadays. I would like to just have some room to spare.

    TIA


    Rob
  • Troubadix12
    Troubadix12 Registered Users Posts: 2,021
    Revered Voyager
    Hi RobH1963,

    sorry, my last Carminat was a Carminat 2.0 Live. which works with SDHC-Cards up to 64GB (I have tested it ). But I don't know if a older Carminat (not Live) works with them. Try a 16GB. They didn't cost that much ;) MayBe a Map-Update-Service for whole Europe for 1 or 1,5 Years have better price-performance then one Map only. It's your choice :)

    Regards

    Troubadix12
  • RobH1963
    RobH1963 Registered Users Posts: 3
    Apprentice Traveler
    In the end I just bought myself a 16 GB SD Card at the drugstore and went in head first.
    Inserted the card in the Carminat. Let it initialize.
    Took it in to my laptop. Started TomTom Home and bought the map of Europe and installed it.
    Went back to the car. Inserted the card and it worked!

    Too bad it took me so long to figure out that creating a backup of the original card was absolutely impossible.

    Thanks
  • Владимир99
    Владимир99 Registered Users Posts: 1
    Apprentice Seeker
    edited December 2021
    All with the Coming! A question for connoisseurs: why did the creators of TomTom HOME make a "Create backup and restore" button if the mafoton does not see the restored copy?
    Or what did I do wrong?
    I formatted the SD card several times, inserted it into the device and it did not initialize it, TomTom HOME did not see it. Then WinHex copied byte-by-byte everything from the original to the card - TomTom HOME saw that there was no tape recorder.
    Deleted everything from the CD, except for loopdir -TomTom HOME saw the card and restored all data, but the device refuses to read - no cards were found. The properties of the original and restored map are the same, except for the ID of the base container and the Name of the physical device object.
    How can they be changed? 3 days of dancing with a tambourine did not help, knocked on the wheel, rubbed the mafoton, crossed it 3 times, what am I doing wrong?
    Renault car with Carminat TomTom LIVE navigator..yszncxv4r05y.jpg




    Mod edit: Machine translated (Russian)
  • Troubadix12
    Troubadix12 Registered Users Posts: 2,021
    Revered Voyager
    edited February 8
    Hello Владимир99,

    Welcome to the TomTom-Community :)

    As I described before... If you never purchased a Map via TTHome, a Backup of a original SD-Card can only restored to the original SD-Card, because the Map is "linked" to the SD-Card-ID. Maybe if you find a SD-Card with writeable SD-Card-ID, with special Software you can read the orignal SD-Card-ID and write it to the new SD-Card. Then a copy maybe work.

    Regards

    Troubadix12